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However, better photos were much more likely to be outdated than normal ones. One thing that is a legitimate issue is the user base in less-populated areas.

Because they know a lot about you, they feel more connected to you before you even meet. OkCupid recently went through a pretty major rebranding, and their new advertising is incredible. Also, you can help it.

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I've been a long time reader of the blog and forum, so I feel like I should contribute something to the discussion because I've been getting way above average results with dating sites, okcupid in particular. Height: I am fortunate enough to be 6'2, and I noticed that there are always a lot of taller girls on the site 5'10 and above that get messaged far less than the shorter ones. So hit them up, especially if you're a taller guy a lot of these girls are on the site to find a dude taller than them , the response rate is way better. On okCupid you can search by language, so you can also find a lot of cute, non-princessy girls using that method alone. Messaging girls that speak another language fluently increases my success rate. Similarly - I get a lot more looks and messages from girls that speak the same languages as me. So, if you speak another language - even barely - add it to your profile. Message Templates: While sending cool unique messages is definitely the best way to go, there are very few profiles that inspire me to write anything witty, some girls are dull, and some are just copies of girls you talked to before. However, if you're on these sites enough, you notice that a lot of girls have shit in common. Here are the 3 that I encounter the most: --- they love to travel --- they love every kind of music but country --- they are not originally from New York where i live. I see this in profiles so often that I just reuse old messages I've had on the topic. Mine will hopefully happen later this year, right now I'm planning a trip to el alberto, a small town in mexico that was ravaged by immigration so they decided to do something about it - they opened a theme park. And what's the theme? Illegal border crossing simulations. That's right, for about 10 dollars, you get to train... How nuts is that? Anyway, you seem pretty cool, talk to you soon! With these well thought out templates you can message more girls with quality messages far easier. Pinging Just tested this yesterday, and this gets a lot of traffic to your page. Diluting the pool I have not tested this, but it seems like a completely viable strategy in smaller towns and cities I read about this on Reddit. Make a bunch of HIGHLY attractive female profiles model or near model looks, a bikini or at least stomach revealing picture that shows the world that they're not fat, lots on nerdy interests like star trek and star wars, etc - the super hot ultimate girl next door nerd , consistently log into them and clear their inboxes they will fill, FAST. Now, all the other guys in that area will star messaging these 10-20 perfect girls, leaving all the rest for you. The girls who used to be bombed with male attention will quickly see it sharply decrease, and will be WAAAAY more likely to respond to your messages. That's all i can think of for now Good info, but label me old-school, this all just seems so exhausting. For what you get in return after all the time invested in what you described, maybe 3 bangs a year from online game, I'd rather be pounding pavement! If you get more than 3 bangs a year from online date sites, you have a TON of time on your hands! Now the exception being LatinAmericancupid, where you game girls who specifically target foreigners and wait for them to land in their home country. However, lots of these girls will play you as they have some hardcore game from doing that for many years, and know what buttons to push. We are only a month into 2011 and I've already slept with 3 girls from okcupid alone. Let me explain: on Wednesday night my friends and I hung out at this really cool local bar - the ratio was about even, but noone was hitting on the girls. They were all 6-es at best. If I go out to a more swanky bar or club I have to worry about bouncers, dress codes, ratios, competition, etc. It's just getting to a point that nightlife isnt really that much fun. And the places that aren't like i described? You can bet your sweet ass that other guys already know about them and the place is a total sausage fest. If you look at NYC's rooftop bar scene, two of the more popular places that aren't assholes about the door and have free entry - Gansevoort Hotel and 230 5th - are basically amateur PUA hour. And even if you're in a good mood and start talking to a girl, what is really happening? You see her, and for the beginning she is a hot piece of ass, you have no idea what she's like as a person, and you might focus a lot of time and attention on a girl who personality wise is not worth your time. Online, you can actually get a good idea of someone's personality before you meet them. So yeah, we all know that night game is dying out, I'm trying to offer a realistic alternative. And besides, spending 20 minutes on okcupid while pretending to work is a pretty sweet deal:- I have an online profile that just sits and occasionally gets me dates with hotties. It's show a lot of details about u but I wanna know something........ Pls let's me know about u. I wanna know u nowwww!!!! I am shocked you are saying that your total investment is 20 minutes. Are you sure about that? It seems more like 5 hours a day on what you described to sit there and go through profiles of girls that can even make the cut! Then to have to do everything daily you mentioned above. I would rather be scuffing my Gucci loafers on the streets with a Custom Suit on and a smoke in hand. And you can call me crazy, but I enjoy real life. I agree with Mixx and G that online dating is an inefficient use of time. I'm starting a little experiment where I've given my VA access to my account and told her the types of girls I like, and wrote a template first message with a couple fill-in-the-blanks to customize. With this simple formula, we're expecting 40-50 messages sent out per hour. Back when I used to spent time on the site cold messaging girls, I got about a 30% response rate, with about a 20% rate of getting the first date of the responders. That means that if my VA sends out 40 messages, I should expect about 12 replies which would eventually turn into about 2-3 dates. Of course, I would have to send the follow up messages which is not accounted for but the template my VA is going to use is definitely expressing a desire to meet up and not be email buddies so there shouldnt be more than 3 messages sent. I'm curious to see how it goes. Success IS possible, but it sometimes masks the real, significant investments behind it: 1. Things take more time than they seem. Browsing, skimming profiles, customizing however lightly your stock messages each require a certain degree of effort--effort you subconsciously increase when the prospect seems hotter. Even if it seems short sometimes, unless you're running a chess clock, you can spend way more time than you think. It's part of the whole Internet time-suck phenomenon. Add bitches to that formula and you have a toxic time-eating problem. Plus, there's a lot of time spent on starting up your profile and tinkering with it regularly. There's no established back-and-forth conventions. So that means, once you make contact, you could easily go back and forth many times before you can even set something up. These messages you CAN'T pre-script--they have to be original to the girl and take more time. Over e-mail, there are a lot more perils with saying the wrong thing and fucking things up unlike in person, where you can backpeddle and adjust according to conditions and girls can walk away from an interaction with even less social, public consequences--like feeling awkward or being called out for bitchiness. Knowing this, you end up editing and thinking more than you would otherwise which, necessarily, increases your effort. And, to make matters worse, at the end of the exchange, there's no guarantee that you'll get a Day One out of it. I've had this happen personally, where I got tired of the exchanges even though they were promising because it was way more work to get to the face-to-face than it is in other situations and I still had no 100-percent assurance that it was a real chick or NOT a masquerading fatty. Guys with certain desirable, stock physical characteristics e. It's like brand loyalty. If you went to a supermarket in a foreign country and couldn't read any of the labels, but then suddenly saw some Rice-a-Roni on the shelf, you're liable to buy it just because you recognize it. That's what happens online. Guys whose traits are plastered all over the media and benefit from mainstream appeal get better response rates. In either case, I think it takes more time than old-school methods for their group. I'm not a big fan of the online scene because I can tell in person who I am attracted to much better then pictures that may or may not be recent, but once you get a profile set up you can bang out a simple template and mass emal to girls you have an interest in pretty quickly. They were all 6-es at best. So yeah, we all know that night game is dying out, I'm trying to offer a realistic alternative. What you're describing is a typical nite in DC. I thought NYC had great nightlife. What you're describing is a typical nite in DC. I thought NYC had great nightlife. At times it does, but you really gotta hustle sometimes to find it. Gotta know a guy that knows a guy that knows a guy. Funny thing about my neighborhood is that the only bar that manages to have girls in there consistently is also the single preppiest par I have ever seen, it's like some wannabe gossip girls shit. I have yet to pull a girl from that place for the NYC heads that are interested, it's called Dorrians 02-04-2011 01:24 PM MiXX Wrote: If you get more than 3 bangs a year from online date sites, you have a TON of time on your hands! Now the exception being LatinAmericancupid, where you game girls who specifically target foreigners and wait for them to land in their home country. However, lots of these girls will play you as they have some hardcore game from doing that for many years, and know what buttons to push. I've been wondering about that. I just joined LatinAmericanCupid a few days ago and have been getting a lot of attention directed my way from some very attractive latinas, but they're all located in East Bumfuck, Ecuador and whatnot whereas I'm clearly in Argentina. Is it even worth replying to any of them? In any case, its been a nice stroke for my ego. Make a bunch of HIGHLY attractive female profiles model or near model looks, a bikini or at least stomach revealing picture that shows the world that they're not fat, lots on nerdy interests like star trek and star wars, etc - the super hot ultimate girl next door nerd , consistently log into them and clear their inboxes they will fill, FAST. Now, all the other guys in that area will star messaging these 10-20 perfect girls, leaving all the rest for you. The girls who used to be bombed with male attention will quickly see it sharply decrease, and will be WAAAAY more likely to respond to your messages. That's all i can think of for now Ever tried using those Alts to rate up your own profile? I've done this with several alts myself but never that many. Also if what you're saying is in their profile is true local, into a lot of shit dudes like, etc I'd say that they'd appear on your own quickmatch pretty often and vice versa. Kid Strangelove - it kind of sounds like you're hanging in the wrong places. I'm not judging or knocking your hustle at all, but when you're at some of those generic rooftop spots packed with low level banking associates and what-not, of course ur gonna get amature PUA'ish type shit and be surrounded by 6's. I'm not a nightlife connoisseur by any means but NYC is always popping off. And Dorrians is on some real life Gossip Girl shit that's for sure. If, however, you know a way to run online game without having to become an internet junkie, let me know. I'm thinking about trying a few ideas of my own online but we'll see what happens. Online game has its advantages in following situations: - If you're physically unavailable in the location you're going to travel to another country, OR you're away from home ; - If you're looking for someone who's not a commodity for example, looking for white chick in US who has no anglo-saxon ancestry ; - If you're looking to meet a girl born in a specific country for a flag; search by language ; - If you're looking for some kinky stuff most people won't be up to like animal roleplay. If, however, you know a way to run online game without having to become an internet junkie, let me know. I'm thinking about trying a few ideas of my own online but we'll see what happens. Strangelove gives some pretty good tips, some of which I've been running for some time myself. I don't do all of the updating or mass emails, so I think I probably spend a lot less time with pretty decent results. Once your profile is up and tweaked to perfection, there is very little time invested. I typically message about 10 girls a week but mostly let them come to me average between 5-10 first contacts per week. Cold approaching online yields me a response about 25% of the time but only about 20% of those 5% total turn into dates. Not the greatest odds, but then again when you have the volume it doesn't matter. I've found that once a girl has decided she's interested in you and initiated the first contact message, my date probability is close to 33% -- a BIG difference. From girls I meet online ages 22-29 , I average about 2. That might not sound like a lot but I run it alongside my normal game and it helps me fill up my week. If I were putting more time into it or solely running online game, I'd probably see it as a waste. I think the caliber of women tends to be higher since you can filter out any suspected fatties and uglies very quickly without wasting much time. I smash about 20% of first dates and 50% of second dates. As a rule I almost always cut contact off after two strikes. My f-close percentage only continues to improve, and I don't see online dating dying out anytime soon... The key is getting them to come to you with the smallest investment possible. I push for a date by the second or third message 2-5 days before cutting off contact. It should be short and funny, less is more. I wouldn't expect incredible results if you are just starting out. There is a significant initial investment of time and energy -- but that learning curve is much shorter if you can learn tips and tricks from someone else. It's either your bag or it's not, you'll find out quickly. Online dating is great! You get to meet and bang women you normally wouldn't meet on the street or at night. I live in the DC area and there is a lot of hot girls who live the burbs Germantown, Rockville, Bethesda, Alexandria,Arlington and Reston. They all have told me that it can be a hassle getting to dc on the weekends. Many professional women are lonely and have sexual pressure building inside them. The internet gives them a low pressure channel to explore dating. It also gives them a level of control they don't possess in their lives or in the dating scene. Because they know a lot about you, they feel more connected to you before you even meet. I also find that the women I meet online are better looking then the ones I meet at bars. I blame it on my beer goggles.

I've had this happen personally, where I got tired of the exchanges even though they were promising because it was way more north to get to the face-to-face than it is in other situations and I still had no 100-percent assurance that it was a real chick or NOT a masquerading fatty. Things take more time than they seem. There's no question that that stuff is important, but I u don't think this method will produce the most accurate information on how someone really acts in a relationship. Finding a match If you're feeling hopeless about finding love at all, you won't be after being on OkCupid. They want to know your opinion on issues such as abortion, immigration, custodes, and more to make sure you and your potential partners have political views that are aligned. Success IS possible, but it sometimes masks the real, significant investments behind it: 1. Where Hinge may fall short is the fact that it pretty much caters to young people only, while OkCupid is more responsible-ranging. Unfortunately, a lot of OkCupid's competitors have some growing up to do. Good news: Building a profile on OkCupid is genuinely fun. It's show a okcupid likes reddit of details about u but I wanna know something.